they were going around saying, we are going to cut taxes for the rich the most. listen to us. we're going to cut taxes for the rich the most. you would say, that's not what you believe in. it's not what your record has been. why should we -- and so what's been amazing is to watch this battle happen over medicare. and joe biden just reduce it to i think what is the essence, which of these two parties do you really think is going to stand behind medicare in its current form. whatever paul ryan says about we're going to protect you, it's not going to be that bad, just look at the record and the vision and the ideological commitments. i don't think this is disingenuous. the different parties and coalitions have the records. >> that's why biden won. you were saying about shoring up democrats. he reminded them also not only that they could win but why they were democrats and what they were fighting for and the that it's possible to make a strong argument for it. >> for the democratic position? >> yeah. >> i think the emotional argument there is actually quite clever because, i mean, the most so
